No:
by Todd Ivan, M.D.
I've
thought about this question for a while now, and I'd like
to pose it to the OPA membership: Why do we see Pharmaceutical
Sales Representatives?
I
decided about two months ago to stop seeing the reps at
my office. I haven't accepted samples for about a year,
and the voucher programs don't provide for enough medication
to justify the time spent writing the extra prescriptions
needed. I am part of a group psychiatric practice, and we
haven't allowed the reps to bring any logo-laden items for
quite some time now. We've asked that the reps not bring
food, and we don't allow "drug lunches" at the
residency program where I teach. This leaves very little
for the PSRs to provide, except for product literature and
information delivered "one on one". Then I started
thinking about the information provided.
Here
are some of the things that pharmaceutical sales representatives
have told me "one on one" over the years. All
of these statements were "on message" at the time
they were delivered.
"-------- has no side effects"
"The starting dose of ------- (name your favorite SSRI)
is the effective dose."
"-------- (name your favorite SSRI again) has no sexual
side effects"
"The antipsychotic dose of ------- is X to X milligrams
a day" (of course, it was lower)
"-------- is effective for social phobia, and did you
see the article in ------ about it's use in bipolar disorder?
"
"-------- (name your favorite atypical antipsychotic)
doesn't cause weight gain (or diabetes, or extrapyramidal
symptoms, or NMS)."
I could go on, but the drift is clear: the information provided
has not proved accurate.
I
base prescriptions on the medical literature. I read several
journals, subscribe to several medical letters, and attend
professional meetings, (many sponsored by the drug companies,
and for the most part unbiased in their content). I've
even gone to dinner talks and found them to be informative.
Most physicians do the same. Most also insist that drug
rep visits don't affect prescribing. If that's the case,
then why do we see them? Since I don't need the samples,
and I get my own information on medications, I'm no longer
willing to waste my time, or the pharmaceutical representative's
time. Let's let the drug companies put the millions spent
on PSR salaries into research and development or price
relief instead of pointless hucksterism.
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Yes:
by Mark R. Munetz, M.D.
True
confession time: I test drove a new car a few weeks ago
to check it out and to get the $25 cash card they promised.
I took the drive but do not plan to buy the car. Even worse,
I let a pharmaceutical sales representative take me to lunch
last week. We talked about assuring access to a new medication
in our county system. I appreciated lunch and the help.
As Chief Clinical
Officer of a county ADMHS board, I believe the public
sector must maintain a strong working relationship with
the pharmaceutical companies. This will be true at least
until that unforeseen time when we have universal health
coverage and access to prescription drugs for all. Until
then, while I share many of Dr. Ivan's sentiments, I do
not think those of us working in the public sector can
shut our doors to the pharmaceutical sales representatives.
(In the spirit of full disclosure, Todd is not only a
valued colleague but also sits on the board for which
I work.)
With
the growing numbers of uninsured and underinsured, our
patients and our clinics could not survive without patient
assistance programs and samples provided by the pharmaceutical
industry. No more than I could get the cash card without
the test drive, we cannot expect to get help with free
meds without some sort of sales pitch in return. For me
that is the quid pro quo, so I listen politely. I gladly
accept reprints of peer reviewed articles, even if I've
already read them in the original source. Occasionally
I learn something new, but I never assume its accuracy.
I
am bothered by some colleagues who appear to accept pharmaceutical
sales representatives as legitimate experts. In truth
they are salespersons, and like salespersons in all industries,
some are very knowledgeable and others far less so. As
far as pens and pads, I have come to believe only non-prescribers
should display them in their work setting. Let the psychologists
have all the pens or if you must, take them home to your
kids.
Our
relationship with industry is symbiotic. We really do
need each other. In addition to samples and programs,
company reps can be extremely helpful when the true innovations
become available. Without industry support, as self-serving
as it may have been, we would not have seen the substantial
use of clozapine in the 1990's and long-acting risperidone
today. And our patients would have suffered.
The drug companies are slick and put great educational
tools together. We shouldn't need them for our own continuing
medical education, but they may be very helpful to our
patients, their families and others. I've been giving
all sorts of educational audiotapes, videos and CDs (often
unopened) to our consumer run education center. The patients
find them very useful. And we are happy to accept help
from the drug companies in the Crisis Intervention Training
we have been doing with our police officers around the
state. Officers' experiences of virtual hallucinations
are often transforming. And I don't have to be concerned
about whether officers' prescribing patterns are being
subtly influenced.
Like
Todd, I wish all the marketing would go to R& D or
lower medication costs. I wish my colleagues were less
eager to accept meals and trinkets from the drug reps.
But in truth it may be the price we must pay for the closets
full of samples and to keep the patient assistance programs
going. I think if we're smart and careful we can let the
sales representatives do their job, help our patients
and not be co-opted in the process.
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